CES Fallout: Sony expected to herald "next gen 1.5"
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Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:04
tyrion wrote:
It's true that the players will be expensive, I've seen $1,800 quoted for some models shown at CES, and the consumer media will also be expensive. However, the costs to the public have very little to do with the costs to industry. And it's those costs to the industry that will drive the cost of games and the PS3.
That we agree on. Consumer side is different from industry side and at the end of the day, they are the ones that will decide how much it will be coming out of our wallet for the PS3 to a movie player to a PC drive. As the saying goes, time will tell...
Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:04
Hang about, weren't we just talking about the cost of mass production blank media - that borne by the publisher?
Nevertheless, while we're at it, let's run with the cusomer costs...
When CDR first kicked off we were looking at about £5 ($9) per blank. For CDRW it was about £10 ($18) and DVDRW about £15 ($26). These aren't accurate figures, just what we've been recalling around the office.
Look at those DVD prices - not a million miles from the $17.99 and $24.99 for the respective 25Gb Blu-ray R and RW prices.
Now, if the consumer doesn't want to bear those costs, just stick with your PC's DVD drive and burn a damn DVD! I can't think of many people who, outside of work, either need more than four gigs or can't split their work over several 4Gb discs.
So, yes, this gives everyone a concept of how much the Blue-ray tech is going to cost everyone; for 25Gb it's about the same as DVD when it was new, and to burn 50gigs of data you pay a premium ... just like everyone did when they wanted to burn a 4Gb DVD instead of a 700Mb CD. You pay for that huge leap in storage on a new media - it's the way it's always been.
And if you don't need/want 25Gb+ of storage on a single disc, it's not going to cost you a penny more than the drive that's already nestling in the front of your PC.
Nevertheless, while we're at it, let's run with the cusomer costs...
When CDR first kicked off we were looking at about £5 ($9) per blank. For CDRW it was about £10 ($18) and DVDRW about £15 ($26). These aren't accurate figures, just what we've been recalling around the office.
Look at those DVD prices - not a million miles from the $17.99 and $24.99 for the respective 25Gb Blu-ray R and RW prices.
Now, if the consumer doesn't want to bear those costs, just stick with your PC's DVD drive and burn a damn DVD! I can't think of many people who, outside of work, either need more than four gigs or can't split their work over several 4Gb discs.
So, yes, this gives everyone a concept of how much the Blue-ray tech is going to cost everyone; for 25Gb it's about the same as DVD when it was new, and to burn 50gigs of data you pay a premium ... just like everyone did when they wanted to burn a 4Gb DVD instead of a 700Mb CD. You pay for that huge leap in storage on a new media - it's the way it's always been.
And if you don't need/want 25Gb+ of storage on a single disc, it's not going to cost you a penny more than the drive that's already nestling in the front of your PC.
Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:38
Couldn't agree more Thane, it's all about the games. With out them we'd not be here debating the boring spec of hardware.
Come on people, it's true specs are boring. Regardless of format, I just wanna see which developers are gonna put their nuts on the table and push us something good.
Don't much care what's in each box, but what comes out of each, after I've spent hard earned money on each.
Come on people, it's true specs are boring. Regardless of format, I just wanna see which developers are gonna put their nuts on the table and push us something good.
Don't much care what's in each box, but what comes out of each, after I've spent hard earned money on each.
Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:06
Joji wrote:
I just wanna see which developers are gonna put their nuts on the table and push us something good.
remind me to never attempt to visualize anything you say ever again... *shudders*
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Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:59
LUPOS wrote:
Joji wrote:
I just wanna see which developers are gonna put their nuts on the table and push us something good.
remind me to never attempt to visualize anything you say ever again... *shudders*
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You made me output a proper, hearty LOL!
Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:41
tyrion wrote:
It's true that the players will be expensive, I've seen $1,800 quoted for some models shown at CES, and the consumer media will also be expensive. However, the costs to the public have very little to do with the costs to industry. And it's those costs to the industry that will drive the cost of games and the PS3.
Indeed, I think it should be noted that the $1,800 price tag for a blu-ray player was a high end consumer model. Whilst certainly indicative of the format's higher pricing then the current generation of dvd, i think its also part of panasonics' elite range (sorry no time to do proper research) which has notably higher prices then normal for consumer end products (including DVD drives, I think i saw a quote for their current dvd player as being $600 or something crazy like that). Certainly everything shown recently is for first adopters, people who are willing to pay over the odds for unproven technology (with everything, rich people who don't have the time to research their gadgets properly).
As deadman's theory notes there are currently plans for more reasonably priced players at $500 and $800. Whether we in the uk will get a comparative price has yet to be shown.
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50GB Rewritable Blank Blu-Ray Disk to Cost $60
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"A leading maker of consumer electronics, Panasonic, announced plans to ship blank Blu-ray disk media to the United States in spring 2006. The company will supply recordable and rewritable single-layer and dual-layer discs targeting customers seeking for high-capacity removable storage solutions.
Okay, I'll stop you there.
The figures quoted are for media used in an end-user Blu-ray writer - the drive that sits in your PC.
The process used at duplication plants is a vastly one to that used with BR R/W drives, just as it is with CD/DVD R/W drives. Can you imagine the amount of time it would take to dupe a million copies of a music CD if the plants had to write a every CD on sale at 52x ?
No, CD/DVD/BR ROMs are "pressed", therefore the blank media is wildly different, in terms fo both technology and cost, to thosed used for "burning"
Don't you recall how expensive CDRs were when the first burners came to market in the 90s? There was no correlation with with end-user blank media and dupe plant media, and the remains the with Blu-ray.
As for the second piece from Bluray.com; yes, the price will drop once the media become more popular, but it's going to be dropping from $6 per disc (and that's on a short run), not $60!
You are 100% right but I am a end-user and that type of information would matter to me for a few reasons. It gives everyone a general concept of how much this new technology is going to cost the consumer if they want to use it in the begining. Also, for that drive that would sit in a PC, it also asks the question then of how much would just a reader cost for someone that just wants to play a game or watch a movie on there PC.
Now that same drive that is just a reader but being put into a console will still reflect the current markets pricing and cost for the technology on the consumer end and will still cost us more. I'm looking at this from my end of the scope, consumer, just as I am with HD-DVD as well. We pay more for the new toys/technology and a article such as that gives something of a glimpse into what's ahead but doesn't mean it's in stone or can't change by the time all of the companies figure out everything.