Bungie – Halo 2 leak left emotional scars

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alright first of all i said that games have gotten more expensive to make and have stayed relitavly the same price even though inflation woudl dictate a rise in price over the past 15 years, infact...
in 1990 the minmum wage was $3.80 and now it is $5.15, for those non math majors out there that is an increase of 26% assuming that a game cost roughly 50 bucks back in the day (which most games did) then games today should cost roughly 63 dollars a piece. thats nto even considering the increase in cost to produce. i found a lovely article on msnbc that states...
"In 1996 a typical PlayStation game cost less than $1 million to make and sold for $49. Today, development costs for an Xbox or PlayStation 2 game run anywhere from $5 million to $7 million per title and sell for $49.99. And some game titles can cost upwards of $30 million."
im glad you seem to remeber buying a few specific titles for 30 bucks but the rest of the wrold has been payign 50 bucks a piece for video games for as long as i can remember.

as for piracy if i had the option to go and buy a single song for the past 5 years i would have, i pay 2 bucks a piece for freaking ring tones, im not adverse to payign for things if its a reasonable price, but i dont apreciate being forced to pay 15 dollars for 10 crappy songs so i can have one song that i like. and now that i tunes and so many others have set up systems where i actually can just buy songs for like a dollar a piece i no longer download mp3's. and the only reason those servies exist now is becaus epeopel liek me downloaded mp3s "illegaly". i was part of the solution and now there is a solution. if we had all just sat there and happily bought the over priced cd's and never download any mp3's things would still be the same, rebellion inspires change.

power to the people!

oh by the way, where do you plan on getting the music to fill that 15 gig ipod you just bought? thats roughly enough room for 5000 songs or 400+ cd's. do you own 400 cd's? shame you cant use itunes to download signles as that woudl make you a hypocrit and short sighted!

bring it on dipstick!

It's funny you'll pay $2 for a crappy ringtone, that took someone 5 seconds to make with a keyboard and a midi soundbank and not pay .99 cents for a song that took at least few hundred dollars even for the most crappiest of L.I. punk bands. The reason you pay two dollars is because you can't pirate them. Well you can pirate ringtones, hell you can make your own, but your too lazy to do so, thus you plunk $1.99 and download the level 3 music from Sonic 2 and set it as your ringtone. Thus re-establishing your uber-1337 status. Your not paying $2 to support the midi-ringtone community, at least well, I really hope not. And for someone who never bought a PC game in his life, it's funny how you know how much they cost back in '99. Also your article is wrong if it said PS1 games were $50. Because they weren't and they aren't now.

I no longer download mp3s???!!! Oh man, I'm gonna rip you a new one if you ever download another song again. You've never been too big on downloading mp3s. You were when you were all about your PC. But you really don't play PC games or use your PC for much more than that Optimus head (how's that coming actually?, sarcasm not intended) and light internet browsing. Hell you don't really sit down and listen to music except in the car I think.

I think your ideals have changed. Or at least have changed to make your argument more cohesive.

As for downloading illegal music to make a difference, you DID NOT help anything. Nothing has changed, less Sony's drop in suggested retail price to 11.99-18.99 per cd (it's up to the discrestion of the retailers to choose a price that they deem fit). What would have and still will help is NOT going to major chain stores to buy your cds but to the little mom and pop stores, which may I add usually have much better musical selections. Stealing music is only going to make companies raise prices. They have to find a way to make money back from all those music piration losses, right? And no company wants to REDUCE prices(*gasp) to try to make up losses.

The same goes for the PC games and applications. Saying that prices are too high and that "I can't afford Maya's $400 price tag", so I'm just gonna pirate it because I need it. Don't complain about high price tags. If you want me to pay $50 for Halo 2, pay for your art programs. They worked and work just as hard as Bungie to create fine products. They deserve your money just as much. If things are bad, then we need to change them. Like your commendable political activism, exert some energy to the pirators. If we had no piration, in theory, prices would drop. And maybe we don't even need to thwart piration. I mean the big retail corporations are mainly to blame. If you buy an 18.99 cd, your not helping, if you pirate, be it a song or an album, your not helping.

are we even talking about the same things?
you just keep jumping topics and tryign to brign up personal bits to argue a point you dont have.



actually if you coudl read you woudl see i said that i dont download mp3s anymore, only exception ebing to see if an album is actually worth my time. i know what music i liek i know what i dont and ont he rare ocasion soemthign i liek come sout i buy it other wise i just dont bother with it.



again, i said i dont download mp3's now and i know i coudl make my own ring tones if i had a phone that suported such a thing but i dont, sprint seems to be fairly tight on soem fo the older models and its not worth the effort when my phone only hodls all of liek 6 songs anyway... i spent about 10 bucks ot have my phone how i like it and now i dont have to spend anythign on ti anymore.



wow... a reporter from msnbc who spoke to peopel who actually work int he industry doesnt knwo how much video games cost back then, but a 24 guy who works in a copy shop / internet cafe is infalable. i see your logic.
as for pc games i own waaaaay more pc games than i have ever downloaded illegal, as i easily admited when in school i downloaded and played quake3 alot and have never played any other illegaly gotten game in any length. i downloaded them and tried them and didnt like them, and last i checked block buster doesn't rent pc games so i feel no remorse for trying before buying, perhaps you've heard of the test drive?



all sadly true having a job and not living in a dorm room changes things a bit



my ideals are the same, i felt no remorse downloading mp3s liek mad in college because 1) cd's cost to damn much and i would rather be able to buy singles and 2) because i was broke cause i was in college.
however now i have money so i coudl by cds if i felt liek it and mor eimportantly i can now download 1 song at a time for $1 or less each.



actually as i said you can now download any single song you want for less than a dollar. learn to reat squinty



no argument there... if any existed anywhere near me i might actually do that, as is last time i baught a cd was direct from the band pre order so i coudl get a signed one :)



funny cause as far as i know no one has increased cd prices since mp3's started and infact as you said above.. sony actully drastically lowered theirs... you just liek to argue don't you?



*cough* WHAT?! try between $2,200 and $7,200
why don't you actulyl look up a fact on ocasion



its true, but if i coudl buy a full version of photo shop or illustrator or flash for 50 bucks i would, and so would alot of other people, i am not however paying between 200 and 8000 for soem program that i am only using for entertainment.

im nto making any money off of maya... and even maya has realized the need for students to be able to get free versions of there software to learn because the more peopel learn 3d using maya the more 3d artist youll have in the industry who preffer it and the more fututre revenue they have, thats why they offer a free version, only prod is the screen constantly has a big transparent "educational edition" written across it. as long as im only using it for none profit related activities i dont midn using the pirated one.




i don't think pirates are a problem nor do i think games are over priced, i pay 20 bucks for a dvd that i watch once and gives me 2 hours of enetertainment or i pay 50 for a game i and play it for 50-100 hours. i think video games are amazingly cheap and dont think pirates are a problem.



you just don't make sense, first you say i shoudl go to mom and pop stores and pay more for cds cause that would actulyl help, and i agree, then you say i shoudlnt pay 19 bucks for a cd from best buy, the reason i go to best buy is cause their cd's are only liek 12 dollars.

its painfully obvious you are just tryign to instigate this argument ratehr than make a worth while point.
try lookign up some info when you make blind claims and tryign keeping your argument consistent when your willing to argue so vehimently you should make sure you arent so terribly wrong.

for future refference
direct from nintendo land
"Atari drops their prices, bigtime
In 95 you could buy the Atari Jaguar 64 bit (it was not a real 64-bit machine) for only 49 dollars! That´s not more than a normal SNES game! "

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1) For one who said it would be more money to buy cds from mom and pop stores. If you've ever checked the prices, they are much less than super chain stores.

2) You've never downloaded a $1 song and I doubt you ever will.

3) As for your try before you buy argument, you used to always tell me that I was a sucker for buying retail box games. You've, as of my last count, have bought none.

4) As for Maya as entertainment, I do believe you were trying to put a portfolio for a CAREER in some sort of 3D work. And even still, still illegial, just the same as pirating a copy of Halo 2. People lose money, people get hurt.

The whole f**king point here is that you pirate as much as you like to refute the minor points. So you have no right to bitch about people ruining your Halo 2 experience. People pirated Halo 2, you say it's gonna ruin the single player experience. You also try to validate non-selfishness by saying that it's going to hurt Bungie in many respects. But then, you pirate Windows, graphic programs, and everything else for your PC. I'd go as far to say you've never bought anything for your computer. So to say to people to be sorry for Bungie and for you to whine like a bitch is hypocritical.

I just wish you'd admit that your upset about the Halo 2 leak because your selfish desire. Ain't nothing wrong with that. But don't try and care for Bungie, because you'd have to feel bad for all the other companies who have had losses from piration. And that's EVERY ONE,... except for Acclaim, because nobody pirates their games.

it cost way more for new cd's at privatly owned stores cause it the only wa they can make any oney... walmart actully sells their cds below what they pay for them in order to draw in sutomers to get them to buy other things where as someone who just sells cds cant do that.. usually the advantge of oging to private record stores is that they have cool used cds.



true and probaby true but its not because i think its a bad idea it cause i dont spend alot of time sitting around listening to music like i did years ago, on the rare ocasion something come sout i like i buy the album, since that happens like 3 times a year and i can get new albums for 10 bucks i dont mind it so much now.



in the past when i played computer games i bought several and to this day own several. the only game i have ever downloaded and played extensivly is quake3 anything else i ever played for more than ten minutes i bought.



no one lost money you keep syaing i t but you cant validate it, i wouldnot buy a 4000 dollar program unless i actulyl had a job doing it, and then my company would have paid for it not me.
there for they didnt loose any money, and for refference sake the day a new version of maya coems out people arent lined up outside there local alias store at midnight to buy it, im not biutching about piracy im bitching the upset that this has caused for bungie and all the halo fans who where patiently waiting for this special day.



i didn't say it hurt bungie they did, an di feel bad for them and it sucks for me to think other peopel have already played it before they are supposed to. yes it is a selfish reason, i never said it wasnt, im not suprised it happened and i dont expect the peopl who did it to loose any sleep over it, im voicing my opinion that this sux for me cause for me 11/9 was supposed to be special and its just a little less special now. that has nothing ot do with photoshop cs, i could give a rats ass if someone has it before me and i dont think you can fidn many people who do care, whereas there are tons of peopel who are upset that halo2 was leeked. if you poled people who preordered the game i bet i would be in the majority.



again i dont think this will hurt bungie finacialy, i dont think they are going to loose any sales, i do think they are genuinly upset liek i am because it got out early. thats what i care about.

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Well then I guess this thread is done.


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